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>> [lyrics] giant steps are what you take, walking on the moon. >> it was incredible to see them, and i couldn't believe what i was hearing -- out of three people. i was shocked. >> i once read that you were called the pink floyd of the '80s. what do you think of that? >> we're not at all. we're the cure of the '80s. >> [lyrics] and i know i was wrong when i said it was true. that it couldn't be me and be her in between without you. >> the holy trinity of alternative british music is the cure, depeche mode, and the smiths. all three of them started out as these fringe bands that by the end of ...

18 films in this country. they would argue if they could depict those kind of scenes with an 18 rating, then why couldn't a video game? and they would say, we only make the game, we don't sell it. it's down to the retailers to sell it appropriately and also to parents to stop it getting into younger hands. and the back story is really interesting to the podcast, sorry to the people behind the game. you know, your podcast tells the history of it and its origins, which is this unlikely collaboration between an ex—public schoolboy from london and a group of computer programmers from dundee. thi...

Interesting to the podcast, sorry, to the people behind the game. you know, your podcast tells the history of it and its origins, which is this unlikely collaboration between an ex public schoolboy from london and a group of computer programmers from dundee. this is it. and it's been described as britain's greatest coding success since bletchley park. high praise, indeed. it's an interesting debate, isn't it? alan turing, i wonder what he'd think about that. well, it's a very good question, actually. i often wonder the same. we take listeners from those very humble beginnings you were talking ...

Parent groups, all the rest of it glamorizing violence. and there is an argument on that side. are they right? well, it's makers. rockstar games were clear then and they are clear now. you know, this is an adult game and it is rated as such if movies they say the ones that the game was often emulating films like goodfellas scarface the ones that they really loved, 18 films in this country. they would argue if they could depict those kind of scenes with an 18 rating, then why couldn't a video game? and they would say, we only make the game, we don't sell it. it's down to the retailers to sell i...

Cure. depeche mode and the smiths. all three of them started out as these fringe bands that by the end of the '80s were selling out stadiums. ♪ ♪ i'll give to you ♪ ♪ and we return it ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> computer programmers or musicians? >> i would say neither. >> what are you then? >> bank robbers. ♪ ♪ how does it feel ♪ ♪ you treat me like you do ♪ ♪ when you ♪ >> in the uk, disco did not suck. and ever sucked. bands combined it with the new synthesizer sound and give us these incredible songs that got us out on the dance floor. ♪ ♪ say what i need to sa...