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By a human interpreter, and so, so the whole idea that these machines shuffling symbols actually have meaning without human providers is itself delusional, and i think it's really ironic that all these brilliant computer scientists of silicon valley have lost traffic the very essence of their science. the essence of their science was begun by turin and gertel and artificial intelligence refuted these original insights which necessarily make computers dependent on human inputs. mark: so if we understand technology, macrotechnology, we have really nothing to fear, do we? >> no, this is just cont...

By a human interpreter, and so, so the whole idea that these machines shuffling symbols actually have meaning without human providers is itself delusional, and i think it's really ironic that all these brilliant computer scientists of silicon valley have lost traffic the very essence of their science. the essence of their science was begun by turin and gertel and artificial intelligence refuted these original insights which necessarily make computers dependent on human inputs. mark: so if we understand technology, macrotechnology, we have really nothing to fear, do we? >> no, this is just cont...

By a human interpreter, and so, so the whole idea that these machines shuffling symbols actually have meaning without human providers is itself delusional, and i think it's really ironic that all these brilliant computer scientists of silicon valley have lost traffic the very essence of their science. the essence of their science was begun by turin and gertel and artificial intelligence refuted these original insights which necessarily make computers dependent on human inputs. mark: so if we understand technology, macrotechnology, we have really nothing to fear, do we? >> no, this is just cont...

Hard to keep track of all the different stands. so i wrote this article and it kind of disappeared in this haze in the week before the election when everybody thought hillary clinton was going to be president. and nobody really returned to it until -- except for the fact that behind the scenes there were other teams of computer scientists, other investigators, other people in the senate who were saying this data is suspicious. we need to interrogate the data more. and unfortunately it's two years later. dexter fillkins, a great reporter, has revisited. ruled out communication between the serve...

And it just -- i was kind of haunted by that story. and then, what happened was, after the election, a couple of democratic senators got the computer, got to the computer scientist and then brought him together with an investigator who was mentioned in my piece, dan jones, and said, can you guys get some computer scientists together and take some time and look at this again and see if you can reach any conclusions about it? and they did, and ultimately that came to me. so i got to take a look at some of those -- i got to talk to the scientists who looked at the data. they wrote up a report. i ...