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Before this final meeting begins. >> katy, that is a day's worth of a question. let me just hit one of the high points here. doj is not on a fast track here. i know many people are impatient. my personal perspective is it's far more important that doj get this right than it get it quick. and doj does bear the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a courtroom if it proceeds against anyone. we've talked a little bit this morning about the potential insurrection referral and about what a difficult charge that can be to prove. we have talked about, for instance, the fact that trump ...

It seems pretty clear that many of them are going to be referred to the congressional ethics committee. could there be other recommendations from this committee? there's also many open questions from some of these hearings that we heard over the summer. in particular, the cassidy hutchison testimony where members of the secret service refuted major aspects of what she had to share including her recollection of the explosive incident inside the presidential motorcade the day of the insurrection where the former president demanded to be taken up here to the capitol. we know since the testimony, ...

Attorney general? conceivably in terms of public relations, yes. >> andrew, what about insurrection? donald trump potentially getting charged with it officially. if he gets indicted with it, these are all ifs. does that officially bar him from running for office again and holding office? >> we don't know. that statute may be unconstitutional. he would need to be convicted. second, the department would need to evoke that. then there would be a legal challenge as to whether a statute could have that as as a result. so you'd have an issue of

Future committees in congress down the road. they knew that they couldn't force the department of justice to act. that this was something prosecutors would make the final decision on. ultimately, this became a unanimous decision. everyone in this committee in agreement this was the step they needed to take because of all the evidence they believe they've uncovered. >> thank you very much. back with us is our panel. we're also joined by msnbc chief legal correspondent and host of the beat, ari. he has a new breakdown of the coup conspiracy. so, ari, this committee didn't mince words here. they'...

Specifically, and perhaps about other actors, not just in the department of justice. but, potentially the congressional ethics committee, the state barr's oceans to what have you. it's really going to be one of the biggest takeaways from the committee when they present the bulk of their findings on monday. and i'm glad that you focus on the carter opinion here, because the committee is what he was in some ways as a road map ever since it first came out to the way that they think. as you pointed out, on two of those charges or they potentially referred donald trump, the committee says that they...