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And tweets and texts that mr. stone sent to his con ffederate. i think he's in a whole world of hurt. i think that barrel he find himself in is about to go over niagara falls. >> in it john writes he's charged with false statements, witness tampering but not with conspireing with russia which is at the heart of the investigation. those charges are not in there. you got a firm to the investigation, russia hacked. you knew that. do you think it's possible that stone did not knowingly collude with russia? is it possible that charge isn't there because mueller doesn't think it happened? >> by the ...

No shame whatsoever. >> ron klain -- i'm sorry? >> lehe's provided a permission structure to those on the far right, extremists, really before the campaign but certainly charlottesville when he did like both sides -- >> making it a moral equivalence. one thing biden said this morning at our breakfast, he said even in the civil war, we never heard a president try to make a moral equivalence under people fighting to preserve confederacy and those that were against it. he made a moral equivalence between those that wanted to kind up a con ffederate statutes opposed to those who didn't. this is th...