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Confused, john, what does that even mean? >> well, he had a theory which is that jeff was on my team early on, i'm really proud he was the first senator are to come in, and somewhere along the way he went through his con fir make process, he had a bad experience with his old buddies in the snasenate and he became leader anymore. that was sort of his theory. and he has a real sincere frustration. you could feel how frustrated he is and how let down he felt. and he and the attorney general have to work it out. this is the most important law enforcement officer in the land. important to national ...

So that could happen. it is maybe a little bit less likely. third, maybe kavanaugh fails, maybe there is a hearing, the professor is extremely compelling. republicans won't vote for him. this is -- we're starting to get into worst case scenarios for republicans because they would have to maybe try to find a new nominee before election day. that would be really hard, traditionally it takes months to get through this process. remember kavanaugh was from july 9. so maybe after election day if republicans win it is not that big a deal, they would just confirm somebody new in the lame duck session....

Do you think because of everything you just outlined that the fbi or doj would really try to slow the roll in this process whatsoever? because obviously i would imagine whenever it does come out with huge chunks of black on these pages, that that would create a standoff between them and the president. >> it may. i would hope that in the interim they would try to persuade him why this is not in the interest of the united states. you know, going back to your conversation with john and his unhappiness with the attorney general, that is directly related to what you and i are now talking about. he ...

Four or five days and sit before the judiciary committee on national tv is not a fair process. and if they carry about doing the right thing here and treating this seriously as they have said, then they will do the right thing and they will properly investigate this and she will work with them in that investigation and also to share her story with the committee. however that happens. she just came forward with these allegations 48 hours ago and since that time, she has been dealing with hate mail, harassment, death threats. so she has been spending her time trying to figure out how to put her ...

Questions that will be asked that an fbi agent would ask. at the end of the day, this is a political process that the senate is designed around compromising on legislation. and this is not a process that leads to any kind of compromise. >> so you yourself have said that the process is fraught, right. so we know that she wants this outside investigation. and from everything we've seen from chair plan grasslman grass president trump, it appears that that request would not be granted. so do you see the senate at all despite everything we've heard today granting that respect? >> great question. th...