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Trial, that needs to happen. and when you look at the obstruction of congress case, there were subpoenas, court decisions and the white house continued to say that certain witnesses would not be allowed to come forward to testify. that is obstruction. that is wrong. and, in fact, the trial should consider the witnesses to make sure that it is a fair trial. and that is what hopefully senator schumer and senator mcconnell are discussing and negotiating. >> one of the things that struck me during the house debate over the impeachment articles that were finally voted for by the majority of the hou...

So you've got to be able to communicate that message while still being tough on the president because you know that your base demands that of you. and i think when it gets to the senate it becomes more complicated. the rules of the senate are very different than the rules of the house. one senator can be a stick in the mud, one senator can really cause a lot of problems. if you go back to 20 years ago, there was a vote at the beginning of the senate procedures and then there were subsequent votes on witnesses, on process. one senator can really have a big impact on the process and i think we'r...

Even if you are concerned about trump and i believe he is being relevant, would you want to know that the process was being fair, accountable in this country? we have an innocent until proven guilty. this didn't start over ukraine for a whistle-blower. this started day one. i was looking it up in june of 2017, nearly two years ago that was the first time that democrats brought forward articles or inquiries of articles of impeachment. that's a problem. this is continuing to go on and the magnitude of picking out a sitting president is incredible. the fact is that most of it doesn't know what's ...