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The shareholders. default swaps on bear stearns. bonds got hammered because they didn't -- got -- he said we just didn't have time or think about it. things were moving too fast. i don't know understand why they didn't do it on aig or lehman. >> i think this has a lot to do with tim geithner's -- as i said in in the beginning, job to be save wall street, you will make damned sure you save wall street. you think these guys -- i mean, they always say that. i know these guys. >> they can get haircuts. >> i had drinks with them. i'm on the other side of the bargaining table. they make up son stori...

Table from the beginning. trying something a little higher and then negotiating towards a final solution. because i think that the moderates and the senate, olympia snows and susan collins are just going to take whatever they proposed and slice a couple hundred billion off of and it say essential they do that. i think that they left a little on the table at the beginning and i think there was a moment that -- the biggest thing i sort of fault them for was a moment that in the spring of 2010, we had -- the recession stopped and the economy rebounded and by the time we get to the spring of 2010,...

Humanitarian reasons. they have poured billions of dollars into this and, in fact, lost billions of dollars pouring money into this industry. silicon market has gone straight down basically important the last year and had a half. last u.s. company that i can think of, stock down 75% over the last year. this is not a viable profitable market. but the -- chinese continue to pour money into this because they want the exclusive technology when it hits of solar so everyone will have to come to them when the technology works. >> there is another side on the sort -- when you are talking about whether...

There was a financial crisis, everybody had to somehow treat the folks with kid gloves because as much as they had done a lot to cause it, if they collapse the economy would be worse off. the fact that people are ready to move on, wall street has been ready to move on more quick lynn the public glass wall street is movi moving on. you know, suing the agencies over cost benefit analysis. i think not only does wall street want on move on, wall street has moved on and behind the scenes they are trying to push the political process towards that. >> this gets to -- an interesting point. there is th...