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During the meetings of the deficit reduction super committee as it was called. >> just to be clear, if this committee were to adjourn today, and the congress were to adjourn for the next ten years and go away, we would actually achieve greater deficit reduction than if we went and took the advice and went big is that not right? in other words, we could get over $4 trillion over that ten-year period? more than the $4 trillion a lot of people talked about, right? >> yes. that's right. >> you write in the book at one point they had like an idea that got a little bit of momentum and didn't really ...

Years would have translated to about percentage point and a half off the unemployment rate. you know, we may be talking kind of upper 6s rather than low 8s. you know, which is -- which is significant. that's a lot of people, lot of jobs, what we are talking about. i think that's the biggest thing that i would criticize them for. >> and so -- when you talk about that sort of late spring 2010 period, this was after scott brown won in massachusetts. this is after the turn of the republican party. they see sort of victory coming. one of the remarkable things about that period is how little they we...

Small business bills. state fiscal relief. so -- it is not like there was a stimulus and that's it. and i have a hard time really imagining getting the unemployment rate down as far as noam suggested. definitely missed opportunities. one thing thai found in the earlier discussion that i disagree with is that if you had gone and campaigned pro-stimulus in 2010 in some of the states that you were talking about, one of the problems we had is that we passed a sometime lusz, unemployment rate went up. ezra, used the word counter-factual before. that's the idea of -- of what would have happened and ...

Saw it flare up but no one on either side wanted to harness that. >> the only guy standing between them and pitchforks. the part of the bill that made them spin off that which had been very, very tough on them, mind? sing with ibuprofen support, there's legislation now in the house to gut that and it is one of the -- sort of unpleasantries about the financial regulation bill which i think, again had a lot of good stuff in it but so much of it was left up to regulators. so much of it was we will have a regular la tore write process and nil in the blank later. that filling in the blank goes on b...

Curious about, jared, if i can call you that. >> i think we can. >> don't you think you should ask me that? >> no. >> please, call me jared. >> it seems that unemployment rate is going down. everyone who doesn't have a job or no longer looking for a job, that's a serious problem and my heart goes out to them. but i mean, some of the things that was put in early in the administration in the stimulus actually seems to be working or having like a -- rejuvenation not just because of spring but it seems like whether -- these loans -- >> talking about green. >> hit the ball out of the park economica...