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Thought at the time. >> the fascinating point you make, tim geithner gets this reputation, people think he worked with gold plan sacks on wall street. he never walked on wall street. career public servant. very admirable thing. you sort of say -- odd that -- odd fisher in the administration is that the people who have worked on wall street were actually more willing to put conditions on wall street than put pain on the banks and thought they could take it. lot of the folks that haven't worked on wall street were much more sort of take wren by the idea you had to treat them with kid gloves duri...

Something which i had nothing to do with when i read it i thought dash the guy that wrote it had it exactly right. he said surprise, surprise, goldman is not -- make-a-wish foundation. they are a company that's here to make money. that's what they do. >> when i read that op-ed, editorial, you thought my god, goldman's defenders are worse for it than the attackers because what a lot of folks said and at "the washington post" my colleague said look, how can you be attacking that? are you surprised when a car salesman tries to put new a car nobody else wants? if the argument in favor of goldman i...

Financial regulation process. >> you are trying to sell [ bleep ] a deal and it is your top priority. come on. should goldman sachs being trying sold -- it sold it, a lot of it, after in a date, should goldman sachs be trying to sell [ bleep ] deal? can you answer had a one? can you answer that one yes or no? >> when you get senator levin, a portly guy, dignified guy, a senator of the exalted grand chamber of the u.s. government, to start cursing on camera during testimony, you have people pretty upset. yet, during the financial regulation, you are talking about that fuse -- so easily. it neve...

And then it got -- rejuvenated again and then passed relatively quick thereafter. >> that's right. there were several moments where the -- the air seemed to be coming out of and it this -- this was one of the major revelations that -- >> lawsuit. >> sec lawsuit. in fact, on derivatives, you know, one of the more steered corners of financial regulation. we were really moving in a much less stricter action the lawsuit against goldman ignited this firestorm in congress and blanch lincoln, nobody's idea of a populist, proposes incredibly strict derivatives reform and no one could stop it. there wa...