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Poll they are replicated for more times than in virginia. that is to say lots more, but the same problems you see elsewhere are repeated in virginia. >> places like nevada, pulling on the border. 37% in our new polling on who is more trusted to handle our crisis at the border. obviously during the primary season we saw this as the top issue, karl. important to watch how this plays out state to state. >> that was one of the smart things the president did yesterday. he talked very little. he talked some, that he talked comparatively very little about the outcome of the trial in new york and spen...

State, there's a bench in alexandria, as well. when you look at arlington county, fairfax county, loudoun county, those are the big population centers, and they are ripe with democrats. could we really pull off an upset this year? >> let's wait and see. there are things in that poll that indicate the broader problem not just in virginia but elsewhere, black voters are not supported by the same margin, hispanic voters in arizona, for example, on the other side of it trump is doing better among people without a college education then he did four years ago. if you look and said the in this

Fox news contributor and former white house deputy chief of staff. what does that tell you, karl? welcome. >> well, we're in for a barn burner is what it shows me. the fox poll showed virginia tied 48-48, you are right, jill biden won by ten points lasting last time. the rule of thumb is one poll is less reliable than multiple polls. the interesting thing about this is, on may 21st, there was a roanoke college poll that also showed a tie. the last poll we had before that was january, virginia commonwealth university, and before that in december of the richmond times dispatch, both of them show...

For trump in the state. we will have to watch that one, but it looks -- the average shows that it's a pretty good state now for trump. >> john: let me take another moment here, karl, to zoom in on virginia. let's compare the results. as you pointed out, but take a look at this, this is the 2020 outcome where the president beat donald trump by just a little bit more than ten points. listen to what governor glenn youngkin said about the possibility that trump could win virginia. listen here. >> in 2020, jill biden won virginia by ten points. even having this conversation today, i think it fully ...

Great lakes states where the races are really tight. you take a look at the real clear politics average of polls, there have been eight polls since the 10th of april. trump is up by zero, that is to say one-tenth of 1%. 0.1. in michigan he's up by three tenths of a percent. there have been seven polls since the middle of april. then pennsylvania, he's up by 2.3, but since the middle of april. the problem for biden's he's got to win every one of the states. if trump wins one of the states and carries what he did in 2020, plus wins nevada and wins back arizona and georgia where he's leading outs...