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Also that steam has been let out. we always complain about the right wing freaks and the left wing freaks that are on, you know, cable news at night or are on talk radio, some of the more extreme elements. but the fact is that most of americans are muted now. >> it's like the military -- >> we talk about harvard law school. they are not as far left as they were ten years ago. the right is not as far right as they are ten years ago. i really do. i see a reason to hope. >> don't you think also that the military is almost the last american institution that has any respect for? we have just seen t...

We now have another corrupt official and his brother, a drug lord, about to grab our nation by the belt buckle and cling it to afghanistan for god knows how long. >> a good point." for what? >> and you talked about burke. you talked about why conservatives like myself were concerned about bush's wilsonian version. you can write the senate. it's not a paragraph on our foreign policy specifically, about how wildly erratic it has become i would say the past 12 years. i would go back actually to bosnia and kosovo when we decided to fight a war because it felt good. there is a lack of -- thank god ...

Stay there, john. >> i think that's -- i agree with 90% of that. i think we should have a draft. know the military doesn't want it. but i think that is, again, like the concession stand point. and if you had -- i guess my one nuance there would be i think it's less about the leaders in the inner circle than the president of the rotary club in the district, who would be on the draft board or whose son or daughter would be eligible. i think once the upper middle class gets invested in this. >> right. >> not just the office or class. there is a distinction here because there's a lot of fathers an...

People like you, from your ideological origins, turned, i think, significant george will and others on president bush, which is suddenly he wanted to build something that was not there. >> it wam became very wilsonian. >> we're at the point where, i mean, it's this debate over time lines almost seems ridiculous. i understand the danger of time lines. >> i agree with you. >> so we're never going to talk about them ever? and we're just going to keep going and going? we're going to have to. >> the time line, mark halpern, you brought it up a couple of days ago, remember -- i think barack obama an...