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I think with the american people. you know, there's going to be a real reckoning because there are people who have been born -- children have been born with real severe illnesses, parents would have hit a life-time limit a long time ago with those severe illnesses. those kids are alive today because they have coverage. there are people with other very severe illnesses who have medication coverage and are under care and alive because of this health care law. the idea that you could move millions of people out of those roles of being enrolled under health care or severely limit the structure of ...

Person is no longer with us. this will have a real concrete effect. people will show up at those town halls. people will show up to vote. this is not a good situation for them. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose.

They were under judicial scrutiny, but this is different. and the judge made a couple key points. i think the point he made that the government hadn't shown a real concrete effect, that the programs really had thwarted a terrorist attack was a tough point for the government. one they're going to have to do a better job of in their future pleadings. >> jamele, you guys have been working at the aclu on these cases for years. your thoughts today. >> well, i think it's a really big deal. it's a carefully reasoned decision by a bush appointee. and it's not -- i think i disagree with matt that it's ...

And had no advice to offer that was worth a damn. >> do you feel like when you're looking right now at the debates about syria, about iran, and how we're going to deal with them, do you feel like there is a real concrete effect of propagating a white washed history of what we went through with the iraq war? does that affect the debates we're having now on issues lake iran and syria? >> oh, i think so. i think as yogi berra once said, it's like deja vu all over again. i see us walking down the same road with the same characters singing in the choir, the same people off the same sheet of music w...

The least honed instrument in our arsenal, and the reason for that is longstanding. it starts with dick nixon and others who derided the state department is the home of pink communist dogs. that's the way the state department was looked at by the bush administration also. they tolerated colin powell, because colin powell had poll ratings like mother teresa. they couldn't very well not tolerate colin powell, but the state department, the state department was looked on as a filthy, dirty place where people worked to -- were not competent and had no advice to offer that was worth a damn. >> do yo...