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Of both. i think, you know, for one thing someone quipped to me early in the summer unless elena kagan started gushing thousands of barrels of oil from her head a day she was never going to be an a-1 story this summer. there was just too much else going on that was really riveting. and i think your second point is really more, almost to the point, which is we've constructed a confirmation system that rewards people who are utterly uninteresting and so she really i think did a very, very good job of creating an entire career for herself that made absolutely certain there was going to be no scan...

Blij bludgeon against them. i don't think it works that way. >> yeah, pat? >> when harriet miers was appointed, it was 9:00. by 12:00 i was on television saying she may be an evangelical and a fine lady and good counsel, but she's not qualified for the united states supreme court. this is an extraordinary appointment, and i think with this new appointment, kagan, because she doesn't have a judicial record, you've got to go back to her beliefs. she is an active contributor to abortion rights movements. >> but if you look at the -- >> what do you mean, wow? wow. if someone were an active contrib...