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Republicans are stupid enough to back the paul ryan plan as is. >> well, they have been talking it up the last couple of weeks. the reason they were, they knew they weren't going to get the $100 billion out of this current budget. >> do you think they'll vote for this budget? >> i think they'll put it to a vote, yes, i do. >> sure they will. >> cutting all that stuff, killing people overseas. >> it's not real. it's a bit like obama voting against the debt ceiling when he was a senator. it's a protest. >> but it's real enough for the democrats to make ads out of in 2012. >> i think the republic...

Something like this as part of this big package with boehner. >> is that politically or fiscally? >> it's got to be both. the fact is paul ryan's numbers don't add up because he has huge tax cuts in there. so fiscally, yes, and politically, yes. because the president hasn't given the left wing of the democratic party anything that i can think of in the last six to eight months. >> we don't think republicans are stupid enough to back the paul ryan plan as is. >> well, they have been talking it up the last couple of weeks. the reason they were, they knew they weren't going to get the $100 billio...

>> it's not real. it's a bit like obama voting against the debt ceiling when he was a senator. it's a protest. >> but it's real enough for the democrats to make ads out of in 2012. >> i think the republican party can kiss control of the congress goodbye if they pass the ryan budget. the people who vote do not want to see the end of their health care. thank you both. up next, actress ashley judd. we're going to talk about her great work. this country ought to do some good in the world. we're going to talk about what she's been doing. msnbc. we're america's natural gas. and here's what we did ...