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Rob: they are hesitant to do anything to add to the national debt, we are $20 trillion and a lot our fiscal conservatives. you cut this dramatically, will they be on board with this? >> reporter: we saw with healthcare, it came time and again. job creation, working families stand to lose how economist peter morici was on this program earlier put it, take a listen. >> big benefits of ordinary working americans and any congressman voting against it is going to be exiled. >> reporter: we should note the president will use power of the pen on health care to sign a measure that would allow american...

The margin that obama had in 2009 or '10 -- >> 2010 by the time -- >> right, but the -- we actually have a better margin because in the senate, they need all 60 votes. they had 60 but needed 60 because they weren't going through the reconciliation. they needed super majority to do the policy that trent franks wants to do. they had the votes but couldn't lose one. we lose two. >> a little more point of order. i have a little piece of news from a republican who said to me that congressman meadows told the freedom caucus members to vote their conscience. >> that's a great thing to do. >> and do w...