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Donald trump and ted cruz are set to attend a rally one day later against the deal in washington, dc. going to general jack keene on whether or not the pressure is going to work. what your take. >> hope it does. the american people are against this deal and what is trying to take place here is get the representatives to truly represent that viewpoint, and i think that's the catalyst for these demonstrations and other movements to get the attention, not so much of republicans but certainly of the democrats. i don't know. i'm not a political expert. i talked to people here in washington who have...

And also there's a real bipartisan consensus brewing, actually led by a former guest of yours, rick perry in texas, to do something about reforming sentencing guidelines in this country, and i think that makes some sense. a lot of these guidelines were born during the 1980s and early 1990s when crime was a huge national issue, and crime is down, and it's not -- and the heat is off the issue a little bit, so it gives people some wiggle room. bill: so you're torn on this issue. 500 grams of cocaine, 28 grams of crack, that's a lot of drugs, jonah. >> no, that's true. and it's also worth pointing...

It. it's comprehensive immigration reform, different than what was advocated in the campaign by either candidate, frankly, a year ago. thankfully now there's a consensus brewing amongst democrats and republicans that there needs to be a consensus. we wrote this book last year, not this year. and we proposed a path to legalization. so anybody that had come illegally would have immediately a path to legalization. >> what's the difference between a path to legalization and a path to citizenship and why is that so important? >> the principle underlying what we've proposed is that if you don't have...