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Mirror up, take a good long look at itself and when we do what do you think we would see? >> i think in the old days the parties would choose the candidates at the convention and they tried to pick somebody they knew could be a consensus leader. once the primaries came in 1912 and teddy roosevelt wanted to beat taft, we had primaries, primaries are the main reason. you can't go back when you're in a democracy, the more people that vote the better, but in the early days i worry people are not paying attention. there's so many people running, they have a thought about it and party leaders have n...

Democrats are searching for a more populous -- the big banks are now threatening to halt campaign donations to democrats with reid ushering in a new era. joining me now bernie sanders. what do you think about chuck schumer in that position and his closeness to wall street. >> i think shehe's a consensus leader. i think he has to bring the leadership together and they're moving to the left. people demand action on income wealth inequality. people are demanding action on the need to create decent paying jobs. people want to raise the minimum wage and deal with pay equity and overtime situation, ...

Politics. lindsey graham's re-election. he's got two or three different primary challengers. do you support lindsey graham's re-election. >> in my position at heritage, we don't get involved. >> some parts of heritage gets involve. >> even heritage action which can is not endorsing individuals. they get more involved in grassroots. i think primaries are good for the party. i know when i was in office i hated them. you've got friends against friends. right now republicans don't have a consensus leader. there's a lot of jostling in our party about the right idea to go about things. even though i...

Leaders that instill confidence. leaders that are somewhat abrupt and brisk. leaders that have one standard for the people that they're leading and a different standard for themselves. i just found his leadership lacking. >> pretty interesting stuff. coburn's a smart guy. i mean, a lot of -- my kids like him, one of my boys does, dana. he's got a great reputation for fiscal responsibility, that guy, and here he is, weighing in rather soberly, i'd say, against newt. >> he also, chris, has a reputation for honesty, and i don't think these guys have it in for newt for some political reason, becau...

And brisk. leaders that have one standard for the people that they're leading and a different standard for themselves. i just found his leadership lacking. >> pretty interesting stuff. coburn's a smart guy. i mean, a lot of -- my kids like him, one of my boys does, dana. he's got a great reputation for fiscal responsibility, that guy, and here he is, weighing in rather soberly, i'd say, against newt. >> he also, chris, has a reputation for honesty, and i don't think these guys have it in for newt for some political reason, because they're romney guys, certainly not in coburn's case. >> what yo...