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Gynecologists are consensus objectors, and that makes it very difficult practically to have an abortion. you know, what the solution is isn't really clear. it's -- so, it's certainly something, i think that the government is looking into in italy's case right now, but it's true, women do face very large unofficial obstacles to getting abortion in these countries. >> and there's always a sense that abortion just didn't resonate in european politics the same way that it does in the united states. if you look at what's happening in poland, and i think some of the other places, too, where there ha...