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On this, trey penny. >> look, sean, bottom line is, you've got a lot of people that want to play into the victim ment mentality. they are going into the black community and getting them up in arms -- think about this, we have over 700,000 police officers in this country that have thousands and thousands of interaction with police every day and you very seldom hear of these types of situations, because they happen only .011 percent of the time. so we have to make sure we put this into context and address the issues as they are. i'll say this, sean. they are trying to promote the george floyd de...

They don't apply to those changes. >> are you talking about consent decrees? >> that's a type that we have been involved in. you have to have someone to review and overall, where is the leverage point in that process. then you write new procedures and policies, and you then train everyone on it. then you hold them accountable when they don't stick up for it. in this case, this is pretext type case. this is one of the more dangerous aspects of placing and particularly for the community because these are nondispatched stops. that means you can randomly stop this person at any point in time. you ...

Cams, and yet they even high-fived each other at the end of this. it was appalling and disgusting. why would they do that knowing this was all going to be seen? it's hard to fathom. >> my only thought on that is that they believed that they can get away with it. that's the only thing that i can think of. and if what you mentioned, if there was a pattern and a practice of this in that police department before chief davis took over, then it makes all the sense in the world. yes, they think they can get away with it, and we've seen this happen with a number of other police departments across the ...

About the police officers liability in these cases. the justice department i think can be very aggressive in protecting civil rights, and going to federal court to go back to getting consent decrees for the running of this police department. but this is one where i do not think that you can wait for the next election. i don't think that we ought to put all of our eggs in the basket of congressional action, because that is not going to happen in the next two years. but it is an urgent problem and i think that we have an intelligent discussion across the political spectrum because when you watch...

A new report surveys the history of Department of Justice investigations similar to its current investigation of the Worcester Police Department.