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And the statistics show that these animals continue to be in decline. so, i think what we have here is that we have hunters using what i would say, missed match reasoning. they tried to justify a sport on a pastime using a conservation argument. and it's missed matched. and this is taking place when we have this ethical great. and really asking this question is what many scientists are calling the beginning of a mass extinction. are we still going to justify the fact that we could go out and kill many of these endangered animals for fun? and i think, increasingly, the hunting fraternity will b...

Change. already these animals are experiencing a catastrophic, almost extinction event from the black market wildlife trades, specifically from poaching for ivory and rhino horn. so the idea that our government would now be on the wrong side of conservation history with regard to protecting these animals is absolutely mind-boggling. >> and i have seen some argue that there's a conservation argument to big game hunting. can you make a conservation argument when it comes to hunting animals such as these? >> look, when you're in an -- when you're an endangered species and imperilled there's no re...