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Science professor at louisiana state university, lsu and john hofmeister was president of shell oil. let me start with the professor. what are your signs -- what evidence do you have -- do you have to draw on as to how bad the long-term environmental or conservation damage is going to be here as of now? >> well, chris, we're still in the middle of this spill so we don't know for sure how long it's going to last and the total environmental damage, and we won't know for a while, but it's certainly good news that the visible oil is removed from the surface. i think the oil -- the gulf area has be...

Below the water's surface which is a big question. ed overton is an environmental scientist at lsu, and john hofmeister, my friend, was president of shell oil. let me start with the professor. what are your signs -- what evidence do you have -- do you have to draw on as to how bad the long-term environmental or conservation damage is going to be here as of now? >> well, chris, we're still in the middle of this spill so we don't know for sure how long it's going to last and the total environmental damage, and we won't know for a while, but it's certainly good news that the visible oil is remove...

Water's surface which is a big question? ed overton is an environmental signist at lsu, and john hofmeister, my friend, was president of shell oil. let me start with the professor. what are your signs -- what evidence do you have -- do you have to draw on as to how bad the long-term environmental or conservation damage is going to be here as of now? >> well, chris, we're still in the middle of this spill so we don't know for sure how long it's going to last and the total environmental damage, and we won't know for a while, but it's certainly good news that the visible oil is removed from the s...