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This escape with tension so high this week from this debate? >> yes, it can. it really is that one sanctuary of humor in the midst of this campaign where the only rule is there's no politicking going on. you make fun of yourself. they have good writers. they've been terrific. mccain was funny last time around. obama was really funny. it should be a good evening, even though there's a political concern for a lot of conservative catholics is that is a beautiful photo-op for barack obama there with basically the leader of the u.s. hierarchy, cardinal dolan. for others, they would say, it's going ...

Religious interests secondarily to that national interest. issues of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and obamacare are fundamental among them. so evangelicals along with conservative roman catholics are a pivotal voting force. evangelicals together with conservative catholics with make the difference in the state of virginia. >> charles, were you at all concerned last week when the governor said to "the des moines register" that basically if he were elected, there would not be any significant legislation with regards to abortion or women's rights? >> no, that obviously was a polit...

Senator -- and, howard, you know i am. they're called reagan democrats. >> you bet. >> they decide every frickin' election. they tend to be conservative catholics. they're notre dame subway alumni. that's who they are. some didn't go to a great college. they make up their mind in october. they are the october surprise. biden is raw at getting at least half of them to vote democrat. >> the very people that mitt romney is trying to win away from barack obama, the greatest antidote to that is joe biden because he talks to them. joe biden's greatest effect is not going to be here in charlotte. it'...

Thinkers were way up here and you needed somebody to bring them a little bit back to earth, the person we in the senate always called was joe biden. he earned the president's trust. he earned the respect of the people in the administration, pretty much for the same reason that the senators liked him so much, because he's the real deal. >> let's talk religion and ethnicity for a minute. that's what's also at stake here. in terms of the swing vote, those people that you're talking about, the notre dame subway alumni, many of them are catholics, many of them working class catholics and people who...

Thinking in his religious beliefs and he won't even discuss those with the nuns. >> well, first of all, thank you for giving me that very august title. >> battlefield promotion, right here tonight. >> you know, i -- when the health care fight was happening, when a whole group of nuns endorsed the health care bill, and the bishops opposed it, i wrote a column that i thought would resonate with many, many catholics and it ran under the headline, listen to the nuns. because that is what we were always taught. and i'm not entirely surprised that congressman ryan reacted that way, because he knows ...