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And he did a really good job of holding his caucus together on that. you know, against a lot of republicans who thought they should join obama. >> and he was not -- he did not play a role -- i mean, he was a lead instigator of that debt ceiling moment. he was not seen and had not been seen as what republicans sometimes call a squish or a rhino or a republican name only. i mean, he had, until recently, pretty good conservative cred, didn't he? >> you know, he started off as much more of an establishment republican. i mean, calling him a moderate is probably a misnomer. but he came in when bush ...

Seen as what republicans sometimes call a squish or a rhino or a republican name only. i mean, he had, until recently, pretty good conservative cred, didn't he? >> you know, he started off as much more of an establishment republican. i mean, calling him a moderate is probably a misnomer. but he came in when bush was elected in 2000, very much a kind of chamber of commerce guy. he didn't really go over to sort of the tea party until he saw the tea party wave coming and he got out in front of it in 2009, helped elect -- helped get a lot of those guys elected in 2010. but he was always a little b...

Situations. as if they were, themselves, the predators. he's got to get himself out of a republican primary and you have to win a general election. women aren't going to sitting quietly while you attack another woman that is running for office. >> all the radical legislation that's been out there and numerous republican states. great to have you with us tonight. next up, john mccain's conservative cred is on the line. we have the mavericks back tonight in pretenders. stick around.

Caucus the next day. and we've sort of lived in that shadow and john boehner's been worried about it. it turns out you can just do it and get up the next morning. >> life goes on. >> yeah. >> the other thing we know about that is it helps when you have someone like a paul ryan who has conservative cred to back you up. >> yeah. >> i think that was a key part of john boehner finding his spine implant this week. all right. my thanks to all of our guests today. my co-host on some other program you might have heard about, ari. "the cycle," 3:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for coming in on a weekend and pl...

Look at 2000, george w. bush won a very contested election. child left behind. that was his first big domestic policy thing, he'd ran on it, introduced it, it was a bipartisan bill. you had a financial crisis this 2008, and 2009, the president's inaugurated, sky-high approval ratings. there was an expectation in washington that republicans would bring some votes to the table. cantor was part of making that happen. >> and cantor, you know, he, i think he saw that if obama were going to get republican votes, that would give him a bipartisan sheen, and he wanted to deny him that. and he did a rea...