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And then it looks back on her remarkable career and socritics, thought it was unfair. and that personally made me proosh her more because this remarkable figure, iconic historic figure is very real and very human. >> that's right. i think we tend to, especially with political figures reduce them to either villains or saints. you know? and people are people. we're all many-fastsetted, and we have different sides to us and the truth is always much more interesting, nuanced and complicated. so that's what we were after. >> did you have some maybe preconceptions about margaret thatcher before this...

Conservative icon in many-- and to many people and together, with president reagan, credited with bringing down the berlin wall and all of that, and i'm also making an approach to the soviet union to just talk, to try to figure out how to talk to people. and so, one of the surprises that i had about her was that she never-- she was a scientist, she was a kemmist by training, thee went to oxford in chemistry and she was early proponent of the idea of global warming and early warning about it was very -- that surprised me. and she also never touched the national health in britain since 1948. eve...

Conservative icon in many-- and to many people and together, with president reagan, credited with bringing down the berlin wall and all of that, and i'm also making an approach to the soviet union to just talk, to try to figure out how to talk to people. and so, one of the surprises that i had about her was that she never-- she was a scientist, she was a kemmist by training, thee went to oxford in chemistry and she was early proponent of the idea of global warming and early warning about it was very -- that surprised me. and she also never touched the national health in britain since 1948. eve...

And there was a cut of the capital gains tax that helped stimulate economic growth there. the bush tax cuts, 2001, were not designed to be stimulus to the economy. a lot of tax credits in there. they weren't real reductions in rates. the 2003 rate reductions you had on cap gains and others, that gave you four years of strong economic growth that lasted until the democrats won the house and senate, and you knew those tax cuts were going away. >> here's the reality in terms of how americans feel about taxes and, indeed, how republicans feel about it, which seems to be at odds to where you are. m...

Taxes and, indeed, how republicans feel about it, which seems to be at odds to where you are. maris polling out earlier this month indicates 53% of republicans agreed, yes, taxes should be raised on higher-income americans as part of a debt deal. i mean this is also against the backdrop of history, of ronald reagan raising taxes, a conservative icon. >> yeah. and my point was that when reagan did it in '82 as part of the deal, the democrats never actually cut the spending. taxes went up, spending didn't go down. it's just for a number of reasons, tax increases are what politicians do rather th...