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>> well, i will give you two general examples. there's confidentiality agreements and it's been broken both by them and us because i answered a question probably more bluntly than i should have in the debate without having checking with my lawyers which is something you don't do in the middle of debates. but let me just say as an example there's a whole issue about whether or not government-sponsored enterprises have any legitimacy. i can tell you as a historian they have been used throughout history, and there are times they have been very useful and very valuable. part of the question is can...

>> well, i will give you two general examples. there's confidentiality agreements and it's been broken both by them and us because i answered a question probably more bluntly than i should have in the debate without having checking with my lawyers which is something you don't do in the middle of debates. but let me just say as an example there's a whole issue about whether or not government-sponsored enterprises have any legitimacy. i can tell you as a historian they have been used throughout history, and there are times they have been very useful and very valuable. part of the question is can...

Breathe a sigh of relief. but coupled with the steve bannon news, it's sort of relief, but then that's overtaken, i think, by a lot of people having heart palpitations about this. >> dana, stay with me. david axelrod, to dana's point, tweeting "choice of reince for chief of staff over bannon seems like a signal that trump is taking a more conventional, conservative path." that just before the bannon news broke. let me bring in our correspondent jim acosta on the phone. jim what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, i think this is a pretty telling move by donald trump here. he is, almost like he...