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>> there's a 13 senator working group, all men who are supposedly crafting the bill. and i've heard interviews with the various members. they haven't seen the legislation. are they telling the truth or is it just being written by a few staffers in mcconnell's office? >> they might technically be tlg they have been working as i had with usually on the details. for them on suggest that they don't know what's in the bill, that's not trooflt they've caucused it. all 52 of them have discussed it. and i think they have a very good expense they're about to trot out a product that will hurt a lot of a...

Amount of money that you can charge an older, pre-senior consumer over the younger consumer. obamacare limited that to a 3-1 ratio. the house bill upped that to the 5-1 ratio. i'm going to be curious to see whether or not the states are allowed to opt out altogether. a lot of conservative policy wonks think that's a big cost driver, a potentially big deal and sweetener of sorts. then you have to look on the moderate republican side with respect to the medicaid expansion and if you are going to provide a path, as rob portman put it, something that's potentially four years long, doesn't begin un...

Anymore. on everything on this health care issue. at least it doesn't look like they might be. >> the republican conservative policy wonks who i've talked to have stressed that disruption and fear of change, it's the same thing on tax reform, it's what has stymied reform in these areas. >> they're not wrong. fear of change is how you stop reform. left or right. >> and i think it's note worthy you know a majority of people opposed obamacare when it was passed i think for some of the same reasons that that fear of change that people are opposing, repeal now, and i think for a republicans, it's i...