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My run against hillary clinton." >> he was a chief strategist and it failed because there is no strategy. you have to be a word person and you have to be somebody that comes out and said, okay, we're going from here to here. it's going take time and this is the plan. and that's not the way that bannon thought. somebody who would make some very loud declarations, serve his purpose. it's very interesting and important. general kelly, as a former four star, is a strategic thinker. you have to be that in the military and you have to have a plan. whether it will work, we'll see, but that's the idea...

Off? same issues we've always talked about. moderate side, more money more medicaid, easier phaseout, conservative side, cutbacks of obama regulations. how they marry those will dictate whether or not this bill survives. all senators are home. during this july 4th recesses, trying to put on the pressure not just in town halls, there aren't that many, but fourth of july parades. serious external pressure, interesting to see where senators are when he return in a week. >> stand by. we'll be back in a moment. i never joined in. that wasn't fair to any of us. i was covered. i tried lots of things ...

About, who is more p.o. 'd, the voters in november, our side, the republican conservative side is more gined up and this feeds into it and this administration doesn't care about the veterans. >> i want to get in a couple of tweets. you touched on this one from jack corey began, to fix the problem, the first step is to get rid of the unions. how does the v.a. scandal affect the 2014 mid term elections? >> the keyword to me is incompetence and government malfeasance and overreaching. if the republicans can develop the narrative of a presidency and a president who is failing internationally, fail...

There are some members who say u there she is. >> that's the idea, the clubby senate, the freshmen are supposed to be seen and not heard. it takes decades to build. if she convinced first herself and if she convinces the rest of the senate she's not running for senate is there a way for her to sort of become an effective member of the chamber? >> there is. there's the model of a ted kennedy where a liberal member comes in and finds a way to still work with people and get legislation done. my concern is given the current politics and the way that the relationships in the senate are working, she...

Be different story. >> that could be true. we'll anticipate they will run tough campaign by whoever is nominated against the republicans, which means that the republicans' principal risk as they think whom to dominate is they might nominate somebody who could be successfully portrayed by the obama campaign as extremist. if they don't do, that they will in good shape. if they do, well, that would be the president's best hope. >> bret: the intensity in the party, the g.o.p. is on the right. >> yes. >> bret: conservative side. >> intensity on democratic party is on the left. that doesn't mean tha...