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Is this s. that all democrats need in a -- >> i hope the democrats would come up with a much more sophisticated and powerful messaging in this moment but it is a unique opportunity. my co-panelists are right. there are certain issues republicans could run on in this midterm election but representative dent and senator flake don't have those options because of the demographic thing ken is talking about. when you look at 159th district of pennsylvania which is qulooerl dent's district it's a very demographically developing, evolving region. it's becoming much more latino, becoming much browner, ...

Political bank shot here for republicans where voters sort of look at the economy come october and they say, well, i don't know exactly what you did but it seems to be working. can republicans get credit that way at all? >> that's certainly what they're hoping for, steve. and that has been the messaging. and even as polls have shown that more voters believe trump's private message as reported by cbs news as well as the analysis of folks like the tax policy center that you cited, that this would benefit the rich more than it would benefit the middle or the working class. republicans nonetheless...

Republicans on the 2012 election, that autopsy they did 07b9 election wasn't necessarily wrong. it was just that donald trump blew up everything and hillary clinton was extremely unpopular. and that's the other thing for some of these swing districts. let's not forget you have donald trump there and you no longer have hillary clinton there that a lot of people -- >> but if there is an issue here that republicans think might give them a little traction next year, it's what happened last week. republicans celebrating a major victory with their tax plan passing congress. the president then signin...

This. look, historically the out of power party, the democrats in this case, they do well in midterm elections barring some very unusual circumstances. especially if the president's approval rating is low. you hear these republicans saying next year could be ugly, the president's approval rating is very low. we also saw the president sort of defy political history in 2016. do you see variables that might be at work in 2018 that could save president trump from the kind of electoral rebuke that a president in his shoes would normally be facing? >> potentially. but i think that those variables do...

Deregulation. and you try and move the ball that way on your primary. but once you get to a general election, if you are in a moderate swing state, i don't know how republicans overcome that. especially when we see the turnout that happens from the local elections in big counties in new york and pennsylvania and virginia. the turnout on the democratic line increased anywhere from 16% to 46% in some districts. that's tremendous. that turnout number. >> james, i'm curious what you make of that energy, how you would define it. because we spend a lot of time in politics trying to analyze elections...