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Property, it's becoming very militaristic and how they are developing their technology. they have the china 2025 program with a safety dominant almost every major industry. if you disagree that china is a bigger threat to the united states and russia is? >> we are the united states of america and we need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. we need to be able to combat nuclear adversaries, high-threat ever stays, whether it is the chinese or russians at the same time. >> russia's economy is about the size of germany. we have a 2.3 million man army, a standing army, in china. that ...

Ability control 90% of their trade, and you can't make excuses anymore. to their credit, they start up, we did some heavy negotiations, we got them there. >> laura: we have a fellow at the hoover institution joining us now. great to see you, usually talk to you on the radio, how are you doing? >> very good, thank you for having me, laura. >> laura: this issue is one of my favorite issues. here we are, perhaps on the verge of war with north korea, the one country that could really, in a matter of maybe a day or two, change the calculus, and they went a little bit farther. but are you persuaded ...

Thinking they can completely do this. spoon if it weren't for china, they would have any lights on. >> only got tough on the chinese, and i think trump was right in doing so, the russian stepped in and help north koreans with oil. i think that just goes to show. >> laura: you are going to end the segment by saying russia is a bigger threat than china? >> i think we need to be strong with china and russia. >> laura: what about a world where china is a dominant military power, how does that change the freedom calculus in this country? we should think about what that world would look like, spend ...

No one knows just how many political prisoners they have jailed, but recall the horrific case of the pulitzer prize-winning activist who recently died languishing in chinese detention of cancer. how about territorial ambition? look no further than the island china has built in the south china sea. or their expansion into africa where they just constructed their first overseas military base in djibouti. or what about the theft of intellectual property, and other trade violation? since joining the wto, china has flouted every rule that exists, devastating american manufacturing and mildly distor...

The wto, all these years later, it has been a real positive for the united states and united states workers? >> i think there is a net positive in a china that behaves according to expectations, and we have to be strong, but we have to be balanced. >> laura: china just got jacked up in those eight years. i don't understand how you can say, like, from 2009 2009 to 2e didn't see a market increase in the power and strength of china. now we need trying to help us, like, thanks for during some sanctions. but they are continuing oil shipments in their continuing banking and banks and north korea, a ...