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federal prosecutors, williams andally -- lipman. what could the potential charges be if there are charges that come from this meeting? what is your guess it would be conspiracy obstruction? what do you think? >> well yes and yes but it's interesting. first we know he is and even recently because giuliani comes on bended knee and can ask them anything and there's a lot of focus in two days of eight hour meetings on this meeting. i think as you say kaitlyn what precedes and post dates the meeting is important. what proceeds is they're just storming in unannounced and that's what makes team normal rush in and then we have like six hours of screaming over theories that actually they