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Kelly, and his counsel. they felt so deeply -- >> the white house counsel, don mcgahn. >> exactly. and they felt so strongly about it, they made a paper trail. they decided to write memos detailing why they objected to it, and i think congress, the judiciary committee, the intelligence committee of both houses has the right to see the memo post-a memos and know more. >> what i don't understand, why lie about it? again, this is a question we ask almost nightly, but why lie about it? i mean he could -- he is legally entitled to do it. this is the person he wanted. why not just say, you know what...

Him until the very end. >> he became the john edwards of bicycling. the constant lying. >> shouldn't be people in the media or sports, they should be our parents or our kids our neighbors. we were talking about not only military personnel but the families th family support them. look in your own backyard, find your heros nearby. >> let's talk about the republican party. they had their summer conference. >> yeah. >> how are we doing? democrats, democrats ain't doing great, but we're not -- >> i would say it's the tale of two parties. you look nationally the last two presidential elections real ...