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Now -- >> yeah. >> -- her appeal is still highly concentrated among college educated, especially doctoral post-grad is what i'm trying to say there, higher income, tends to be whiter. we've seen that constituent sid emerge before on the democratic side. the question is for her as it is with buttigieg, can she broaden that out? >> this was exactly why, right, that she released this new industrial policy. i think last night for her, it was a kind of demonstration project to be, like, look, i can talk to folks then on trump tv, they're praising her for economic nationalist agenda because i think ...

That's on, like, little trivial stuff, like, oh, respond to this. pete buttigieg, the president called you out, what did he say about it? she's trying to make news every day by releasing a new policy every day which is an ambitious way to do it, and so far it seems to be kind of working for her. >> yeah, i mean, look, she's gotten -- i wouldn't overstate what she's done in the last month but she's gotten so traction and i think she faces a challenge. it's a challenge similar to what buttigieg faced when he broke out about two months ago i would say. that is demographically right now -- >> yeah...