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On this ukraine call because you need a high crime or misdemeanor. you need extortion, bribery, treason, and you don't have it. and asking for an investigation is not asking for a thing of value. jim baker? >> well, it doesn't have to be a crime as defined by congress in a particular statute like in the campaign election law that i think he was referring to. that's just not what's at issue here. this is an issue that sounds in -- what i mean is it comes from the constitution itself, and so it's congress enforcing the constitution itself. that's what it has to think about. and what it needs to ...

We're back now with garrett graff, jim baker, and susan glasser. let's do a little bit about the state of play given all this new information. so, jim baker, i had robert ray, redoubtable legal mind. he says high bar for impeachment. we should all agree about that. the idea that the democrats want to vote next month, i think that's suspect. but he said, you don't have it on this ukraine call because you need a high crime or misdemeanor. you need extortion, bribery, treason, and you don't have it. and asking for an investigation is not asking for a thing of value. jim baker? >> well, it doesn't...

He's trying to conform with what the court said. mike, you know what this is about, in the constitution itself, the reason that you take a census is not to find out how many toilets or stoves or refrigerators or tvs or cell phones you have. it's to apportion the voters for congressional districts. that's what the census is wall about. then it would be transported to the states for legislative districts. if you're counting illegal aliens who are in this country, people who cannot vote, because they're here illegally russian watering down the votes of people who are here lemly. california gets a...

It? >> he has ordered doj to find a way to include it but you know what this is about, it in the constitution itself, the reason you take a census is not to find out how many toilets or stoves or refrigerators or tvs or cell phones you have but to apportion voters for congressional districts, that is what the census is all about. if you are counting illegal aliens who are in this county, people who cannot vote because they are here illegally you are watering down the votes of people who are here legally so california gets a disproportionate number of congressional seat and electoral votes for ...

Money or just making money in case he lost? >> i don't thing he expected to been with. he started to run for president six times. there was an article that said he work withes 22 hours a day and that was floated jrntly out to see. i think they were as surprised as hillary clinton that he won. >> thank you. good luck in this race. you can only cause trouble, which is good for everybody. >> that's it good. >> anyway, today's democratic argument between capitalism and socialism, that's coming up 347. . okay, paint a picture for me.