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There wasn't a permanent deputy attorney general, but because he knew there wasn't a crime and you don't go to prosecutors to report conduct that's wrong or in violation of justice department rules. you go to prosecutors if you believe a crime was committed. comey didn't believe a crime was committed then. i don't believe he thinks -- >> that's not what the record states. it may or may not be that crimes were committed. it may or may not be that pardons would be issued. the constitution gives broad pardon power. the former director did not talk about a conclusion of a crime. that would indeed ...

About, wow, he wasn't under direct investigation. what does that mean? richard nixon was not under investigation originally. john mitchell was investigation. then it turned out, guess what? they looked at the documents. they put people under oath, and richard nixon ended up being under investigation. >> i guess i take the loretta lynch thing -- maybe it's because i'm a lawyer, but your credibility is everything. what he was saying today is he was saying basically that the fix was in with loretta lynch vis-a-vis hillary clinton, and that goes right to the heart of her credibility, i thought. >>...