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Back to why you don't need the whistleblower to testify. use common sense if it were another criminal or even civil case. somebody comes forward to the police and says i know of the murder, i know the assault. that's the last obligation. thereafter, the police can investigate it. you can bring people to trial. you don't need that person to testify. so number one, there's that point. number two, it's profoundly dangerous what they're doing here. this is why his testimony, pardon me, his questioning today, jim jordan's questioning is why there is a statute protecting federal whistle blowers. wha...

Supports it, you support it, what itself the problem? why hasn't this come up for a vote? >> well, this is an extraordinary measure. i was spearheading the last effort on sentence reform eight years ago. my partner was sessions, durbin, sessions, now we have a more amazing coalition, not just president trump endorsing it, construct grassley, my co-senior and corey booker and the major police organizations and aclu and others, we have reached a moment where we ought to move together on a bipartisan basis and solve a problem, it's up to senator mcconnell. he will make the decision about whether ...

They can getting a is es to the trump campaign. the answer is, yes, they were willing to take a meeting based on a promise of help. >> michael, among all of the other details you have here, you talked to this guy i mentioned is this, he showed up at trump tower. this is a guy, a former soviet counter intel official. he attracted the suspicion of construct grassley in washington. he showed up at the time. he was ushered in without showing i.d. >> i thought that was pretty astonishing. i caught him by cell phone. he was in a french southwest coast when i did this afternoon and, you know, i wante...