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Construction techniques, new safety regimes, new electronic systems, we have a whole different ball game out there for nuclear in the future. >> let me ask you this to stay on nuclear. i've been a fan. i'd buy into what you're saying with more hesitancy than a month ago. we have nuclear plants in the nation that are 20, 30 years old. you're saying we decommission those and build in their place new nukes you're talking about? >> every one reaches its 30 year end of permit except for the plants that had a 20-year extension. i'm suggesting, get rid of all of them, let's replace them and the effic...

Old. you're saying we decommission those and build in their place new nukes you're talking about? >> every one reaches its 30 year end of permit except for the plants that had a 20-year extension. i'm suggesting, get rid of all of them, let's replace them and the efficiency of new nuclear reduces the cost to the consumer overtime. there's an upfront capital cost but will pay back over time. >> i don't want to start talking about a balance sheet and putting numbers up on the screen. everything i hear from people in the field tell me nukes are incredibly expensive. they can't make it without fed...