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Fun mental reform that chairman brady has laid out for us. >> neil: and the other thing is how to pay for the tax cuts. you'd have a border or adjustment tax or something like that. is that part of this mix? >> yeah, absolutely but not necessarily a pay for. people are mischaracterizing that. what this is, because we're going to a consumption system, it wouldn't be fair for us to tax businesses here in america but not tax businesses overseas sending products into this country. so everyone will get taxed the same. everything we produce, whether it's produced here or brought in has to be charged...

Basically a 9% price increase on every automobile sold in america. that would pretty much -- that would be the most destructive thing anyone could think of for the american automobile industry, isn't it? >> it's not just that. since there's no mention in cain's plan about any exemptions, we have to assume that if you go to the hospital and you have a $100,000 operation, you're going to have to pay $9,000 more on top of that. all food, all clothing, rent, would have to be covered. but i've heard him say at the same time, i didn't read this in his plan, i heard him say this, that used goods woul...

America. that would pretty much -- that would be the most destructive thing anyone could think of for the american automobile industry, isn't it? >> it's not just that. since there's no mention in cain's plan about any exemptions, we have to assume that if you go to the hospital and you have a $100,000 operation, you're going to have to pay $9,000 more on top of that. all food, all clothing, rent, would have to be covered. but i've heard him say at the same time, i didn't read this in his plan, i heard him say this, that used goods would somehow or other would be excluded. that's just going to...