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Psy. robert, always good to see you. what are the -- i guess walk through the likelihood that we're going to hear from either kupperman or bolton or mulvaney given -- given this hearing. >> boy, it's hard to know what to expect. i do think it's interesting. i mean, pete did a very nice job of laying out why the bolton/kupperman camp thinks that the interests of their side do not line up with mulvaney's legal interests. but i think that there's also something else at stake, which is that each camp is also trying to protect their individual reputations. mulvaney is obviously someone who could ju...

Prisballa's reporting about the way that they're focusing this. it is like building a case. it is like putting something together for a trial. except your jury is the american people. >> abuse of power is the easiest avenue to achieve impeachment. it is not a crime but crimes are not necessarily all impeachable and the converse is that not all impeachable offenses must be crimes. so we have abuse of power and we do have precedent in the case of richard nixon but we also have precedent in the form of no less than three federal judges who have been impeached for abuse of contempt power and then ...

Back in 1935. since then congress has instead referred cases to the justice department. joining us now, senior legal affairs. back with us former u.s. attorney in the district of michigan. barbara, of these three inherent contempt, that means potentially extreme that the individual acting chief of staff could be drag to jail. is that correct? >> inherent contempt power exists. there is statutory contempt power where members of congress go to the department of justice and ask them to prosecute the case criminally. when yo ahave an executive branch behaving the way the trump administration is th...

However, sondland will not comply to turn over documents related to his official work on this. he says that those aren't really his documents, it's the state department's records, and that if congress wants to get them from the state department, they're going to have to get the state department to cough them up. >> david, quickly, also the big headline talking about documents -- friday, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney, he's going to have to -- that's the deadline for the subpoena for more documents that they ignored in the original request. what happens if he ignores it again? >> i think h...

However, sondland will not be complying with another request which is that he turn over all of his documents related to his official work on they says that those aren't really his documents, it's the state department's record, and that if the congress wants to get them from the state department, they are going to have to get the state department to cough them up. >> david, quickly, also the big headline talking about document, friday acting chief of staff mick mulvaney, he is going to have, to that's the deadline for the subpoena, for more documents, as they ignored the original request. what ...