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Principle that they're sort of wanting clarified here, whether the notion of absolute immunity shields any of them from having to comply with congressional subpoenas, you know, i think that you could have a very different outcome there. >> can i ask what your take is on that? whether absolute immunity applies to a government worker? >> yes. so i think that there's a pretty good argument to be made that the close or immediate advisors to the president enjoy some sort of immunity that is rooted in separation of powers but also allows a president to sort of seek advice, which we want presidents t...

Psy. robert, always good to see you. what are the -- i guess walk through the likelihood that we're going to hear from either kupperman or bolton or mulvaney given -- given this hearing. >> boy, it's hard to know what to expect. i do think it's interesting. i mean, pete did a very nice job of laying out why the bolton/kupperman camp thinks that the interests of their side do not line up with mulvaney's legal interests. but i think that there's also something else at stake, which is that each camp is also trying to protect their individual reputations. mulvaney is obviously someone who could ju...

The attorney general. if he just does nothing, what does congress do? they find him in contempt. they refer the matter to a u.s. attorney and guess what? nothing happens. so he could simply resist the subpoena. he has a couple of choices here. >> what happens if the administration turns over and has a democratic administration? is he potentially trying to guard against any future retaliation -- not retaliation -- but future legal peril? >> maybe. and another possibility is he just wants to run out the clock because no matter what this federal judge rules, undoubtedly, there'll be an appeal who...