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To incarceration. >> right. >> congressional power could lead him to getting perhaps a slap on the wrist or being scorned in the public square. but there is not a whole lot of things that congress can do if they hold him in contempt. they have to rely on the department of justice and a federal judge to be able to make the contempt stick and have a penalty attached. i'm sure he is far more cooperative with mueller's team because there is a criminal penalty attached to that. and frankly the alternative is more pleasing to him if not entirely benign. >> i have to ask this, remember when the repor...

Testifying before the committees on the hill. now, whether that's true or not or the extent to which the white house is doing that, i don't know. i think his options are much more limited with the special prosecutor, that he doesn't have much protection there. and that he has to answer legitimate questions. and that's what's going on. >> yes. >> and you know also. >> go ahead, laura. >> to that point, think about it. mueller's power could lead him to incarceration. >> right. >> congressional power could lead him to getting perhaps a slap on the wrist or being scorned in the public square. but ...