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to prevail, ukraine needs more western weapons, in particular modern battle tanks. but germany remains reluctant to send in the leopards. well, my guest is ukraine's foreign minister, dmytro kuleba. are ukraine's strategic options being narrowed by wavering amongst western allies? foreign minister dmytro kuleba in kyiv, welcome to hardtalk. it's my pleasure to be with you. it's great to have you back on the show. i'm sure you watched very closely what happened in ramstein, germany, when ukraine's allies met at defence minister level to discuss new weapons supplies to ukraine. what ap...

to send in the leopards. well, my guest is ukraine's foreign minister, dmytro kuleba. are ukraine's strategic options being narrowed by wavering amongst western allies? foreign minister dmytro kuleba in kyiv, welcome to hardtalk. it's my pleasure to be with you. it's great to have you back on the show. i'm sure you watched very closely what happened in ramstein, germany, when ukraine's allies met at defence minister level to discuss new weapons supplies to ukraine. what appears to have emerged is yet more uncertainty, particularly about whether you're going to get tanks. how damaging...

And, you know, it's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars — the european union is looking at this very closely. the former estonian president kersti kaljulaid, who is a great friend of ukraine, she said just last month, "the continuation of reconstruction aid beyond the basic humanitarian disaster elimination mission has to be dependent on ukraine's continued institutional development." so that means zelensky has to deliver on good governance. is he capable of doing that? i think president zelensky has delivered better than any other leader in the world on the issue of governance, wh...

President kersti kaljulaid, who is a great friend of ukraine, she said just last month, "the continuation of reconstruction aid beyond the basic humanitarian disaster elimination mission has to be dependent on ukraine's continued institutional development." so that means zelensky has to deliver on good governance. is he capable of doing that? i think president zelensky has delivered better than any other leader in the world on the issue of governance, when he managed to keep the country running and properly governed under the enormous and unbelievable in scale russian aggression. trust me, pre...