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It. that's above and beyond. when you do cable news all day, you don't have to consume any of it. >> sometimes you don't want anymore. that's true. >> but i mean, also, the contrar contrary, the nonworrying interpretation of this series of facts, is that the president has come up with all of these things, all of these -- as you put it,ess sew terik ideas about afghanistan and montenegro and belarus and poland and all of these things on his own, without any input from the kremlin. and that just seems so unbelievably improbable. >> i don't think that's true. >> anyway. >> someone. someone is tal...

Seriously, when it started to come out in early november i thought it was so ludicrous, so disgusting, people trying to link her to a pedophilia ring. i just dismissed it. maybe i shun the have. maybe we should have tried to debunk it more clearly early on. buzz feed did good work on that. there are steps we can take, there are no -- >> that's hard, because you give life to it. >> during the campaign there were some rational people who i thought before -- they started believing these things that were -- mark, don't you agree, it's like, you can't possibly believe that, and they did. >> right, ...