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True but les, i'm sitting twotwo and a half feet from you and i can feel the eye roll coming on. you're not buying this at all. >> it's not that i'm not buying it at all, it's just is it possible is it plausible? certainly it is but what i know -- remember i'm a pilot. i operate the systems. i didn't design the systems. however, what my understanding of the systems is you can't mix entertainment and interface it with flight controls and engines, okay. he claims he did some sort of control input to the airplane. pilots would have reported this. >> he says he claims he changed the altitude i thi...

>> absolutely. that should record control surface, control input. control surface movement. numerous parameters. yes, i would say that that would be, that data would be there. >> and, you know, again, there's a lot we don't know about this co-pilot, exactly what the illness he was facing is, that he was trying to hide. if a pilot is intent on hiding something, on hiding thoughts they're having or hiding an illness, if they don't self-disclose, if they're not getting treatment, if they don't want their employer the know, there's no guarantee that i suppose something like this couldn't happen ag...

It's a mental blockage. they dare not go to the idea that this isn't real. >> ron, it's interesting. is it possible once the flight data recorder is found, i mean if this co-pilot in the last seconds attempted to pull the plane back to pull the plane up would that record in the flight data recorder? >> absolutely. that should record control surface, control input. control surface movement. numerous parameters. yes, i would say that that would be, that data would be there. >> and, you know, again, there's a lot we don't know about this co-pilot exactly what the illness he was facing is that he ...

That could override the pilot's actual intent. what is your assessment of what could have happened base on the information we have? >> fly by wires, essentially what that means is the pilot puts in control input and those don't go directly to the control surfaces. rather they go to a computer which decides she put in this much input this is how i'm going flight controls. this aircraft limits what you can do because it's a system that limits allowing you to pull too many g's or fly too high, for example, based on your fuel, your loading and other things. in this particular case maria was saying...

It. that's a clue that others had made it through just fine. but with this kind of storm build-up it can change very, very quickically. and also planes just a few miles apart with experience vastly different conditions. and it also depends on the input the pilots put on the controls. on the air france 447 had they realized the dire nature of the situation of course they could have made control input. same thing on the crash i mentioned, the west caribbean airways. so the weather's highly significant. and though others were going through it they could have faced even ten miles behind another pl...