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There -- >> thank you, joy -- >> you have to raise money. this is one interview on the weekend. how much money did you raise in the last governor's race? >> i can't remember, it's $10 million or $12 million. we just started that effort. i'm not technically a candidate at the moment. we are getting a great response. it's interesting, in the last week we were hearing across the country that people agree with my precept that to govern is to choose. and we must choose a path to economic growth that will simultaneously defeat climate change. >> okay, let me ask you -- >> we have seen this. >> let m...

That thing? then that changes the dynamic who've's in the top five. -- of who's in the top five. >> agree. you have to meet voters where they are. we get paid to consume the musha of politics. not everyone does that. when i look at the twitter timeline, facebook that is apparently spying on me, you know, all my social media, there's a lot of interesting things happening that we don't know about because we're consumed by politics. people criticize barack obama for participating in espn events and things. for some voters, that was the only space where they saw you. i think you do have to do that...

Popular with the mainstream at all, right? it's more threatening than saying whatever message beto has, that's not threatening. it's threatening in a fundamental sense to a big pillar of our economy if she's saying people who are very rich pollute accurates, i am -- politocrats, i am coming for you. >> that message can unite people across the parties. it's something that elizabeth warren's been talking about for years. trump sort of started to ape it a little when he ran for president. of course he twisted it to focusing on immigrants and other boogiemen. >> that's when he started. he started ...

Warren is -- she's a dynamic speaker. the things she talks about, and she's authentic. >> yes. >> the thing she talks about, she's been talking about it for years. right, the middle class, the working class. she's been fighting against the big banks. and i think she is undervalued. a lot of it is because she is the first one out. we talked about castro actually announcing his exploratory committee. she is one of the big i guess five that have come out. that's another reason why she's getting all the shade. >> yeah. >> can we talk mean culture for a moment? the other thing that you're seeing, a...

Elizabeth warren. her announcement triggered handwringing with quote/unquote likability. joining me, move on.org representative, senior political editor, and tiffany cross of the beat d.c. i'm going to go across the table. this is a weird thing that's going on now. it happens kind of every time a woman does anything. but especially in politics. i'll start here with you, tiffany. woman makes an announcement she wants power. suddenly, her poll numbers drop, she's no longer popular, and she's got a question about is she likeable. >> right. right. there's a question, does the next candidate have...