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2019. >> not my claim. >> colleagues of mine have studied this closely and determined it most likely emerged in november 2019 based on scientific analysis that josh hasn't done. and i don't think dr. redfield, frankly, has done himself either. and i just take issue with josh repeatedly referring to this as an opinion. the paper we put out is a scientific analysis. people are certainly entitled to disagree with it for both scientific or other reasons but it's not just our opinion. this is decades, hundreds of years of collective experience we brought to bear on this, examining both arguments fo...

Here? >> i think in general there has been a lack of nuiance. you cannot be critical of israel's actions without someone calling you antisemitic. so i think there's a generation of young people who believe that we should be able to have a conversation about this. i think that's the conversation. >> i think it's hard to have a con v conversation. >> the hamas government. >> right. so how can you have one? it's not like let's get along. >> okay. and they are jumping -- >> i'm not jumping -- >> i am saying there are people