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Going to win. >> no, no, no erin, i have to disagree with you, i was going to be a delegate to that conventi convention, because of that reason. i think building up to it, you could say there was discussion of that, manafort's deal was to try to secure the convention nomination, but that was it, i don't think it was a heavy lift, because it was wrapped up at that time. >> i'm just going to say, you're wrong about that. >> it was not wrapped up when paul manafort joined. i don't want this to get into a debate whether paul manafort was important or not. >> you're right, when he joined there was ...

And everything but there seems to be something different. to me it's about trump. if trump is viable for the next three or four month s we're going to have a contested convention. >> you do pause here because we have this conversation or some version of it every four years. but this is different because, as you said this is a third lane that comes out very clearly. it's not two, it's not bipartisan, bipolar, there's a new calendar, there are more states that have proportional delegate allotments so that it's harder to pile up in winner take all states all the delegates you need to get to that ...

Begin. jerry, i know it seems absurd and everything but there seems to be something different. to me it's about trump. if trump is viable for the next three or four month s we're going to have a contested convention. >> you do pause here because we have this conversation or some version of it every four years. but this is different because, as you said this is a third lane that comes out very clearly. it's not two, it's not bipartisan, bipolar, there's a new calendar, there are more states that have proportional delegate allotments so that it's harder to pile up in winner take all states all t...

>> hell of a race. >> remember the primary is the conventi convention, not on anticipate primary. you will have a great push by conservatives, by other republicans in the party between bolling and -- >> i think -- >> lieutenant governor bolling has basically said i'm out of here. ear not going to take part in this process. he's talking about -- >> projected nationally what does it say about -- >> i think it's a laboratory experiment to see if the tea party, if the right to lifers, if the radical anti-government people, if the grover norquist wing of anti-taxers can win an election or not, and ...

I heard you talking throughout the evening be inside there and how different it felt from the republican convention in terms of the energy and enthusiasm. and i can tell you that as someone watching it on television, i was in fact virtually flabbergasted by how much energy there seemed to be, how much wrapped attention were being paid and how many speakers seemed to hit a home run. but of course, that didn't stop the criticism. let me play with paul ryan said this morning on fox. >> what you did not hear is that people are better off than they were four years ago. what you did hear was simply ...