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Professor at the new school. she just wrote a new article in politico magazine about the last taboo. jennifer, you were on your sofa watching bill maher that night. you saw that exchange and you said what to yourself? >> well, i was glad, but i was disappointed he hadn't done it while he was still in office. i think it makes a big difference if you imagine a room full of 100 white men and one black or latino man or woman walking into the room. the conversation changes. it matters if you stand up for what you believe. >> and the point is barney frank had no problem coming out as a gay man and p...

Prevent this. marc, how? >> if we start this conversation at the community level with our initiative parent together from sandy hook promise that's how the conversation changes. once people are engaged at the community hell are, that's going to work its way up. and the legislation will follow. >> what does it mean? what specifically? >> driving awareness. getting people thinking about this. getting involved with programs. there are many. i don't know if we have time to talk about how many programs. >> let me ask it this way. when you look back at the days, weeks, and months, years leading up t...

This before this segment, i think that the conversation is different this time around. >> yeah. i mean, i think we've discussed on this show before that basically the nra is we're not the target audience of who they're talking to here in central brooklyn or south brooklyn, or various residences in brooklyn, including myself. i think we are about to see and one away wha we were discussing at the break is this race in illinois to replace jesse jackson jr. in the special election that's coming up. the bloomberg superpact has been aggressively spending money, more than a million dollars. all very ...

>> we're talking about doing tax reform, entitlement reform, doing the big package that will get the private economy and private investment going. >> if the president wins, then what does that mean? do you think the conversation changes? >> that's the problem. that's the real problem. that's the uncertainty you see. the san francisco federal reserve put out a study, said, hey, the uncertainty right now is probably adding one or two points to the unemployment race. >> all right. senator john hoeven, senator of north dakota coming in. on the radio this morning a bipartisan blow-up over the con...

They're not going to just disappear. they do excellent work and -- but how do you justify when we're talking about closing down bases and cutting the military, government-funded radio when we have a thousand radio stations out there. >> i happen to agree with pat. anything we can cut, you can go, boy, it's a shame. and reality is, you have to say this is great but. npr might be one of those places. >> there are incredible reporters there but maybe at this point as the conversation changes and moves into this direction and someone like donnie agrees with pat on this, that their work will not be...