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On friday, the president said it was perjury when cohen told congress he never sought a pardon. >> mike at cohen lied about the pardon. it's a stone-doled lie. he's lied about a lot of things, but when he lied about the pardon, that was really a lie. he knew all about pardons. his lawyer said they went to my lawyers and asked for pardons. i could go a step bon that, but i won't go do it now. >> a little more than an hour later, the president went that one step -- he tweeted, directly asked him for a pardon. as we start the conversation everybody that's one tweet. at least 13 times since that...

The question in terms of the you remember the conversation everybody wanted him to get angry. to show some anger. this doesn't show anger but it certainly shows a different level of passion. and the question is can we take that passion and move it into action? there's no -- in terms of the environment, moving immigration and those things and voting rights act which is a huge issue, i'm not sure they'll -- he'll be able to move at this point. >> it leads to what i think was an interesting argument. when every house republican voted against stimulus back in 2009, there was a part of the liberal ...