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Barker," the ship i was captaining, ripped a six-foot gash in the side. that was about 4 inches deep. and they proved quite aggressive. these are people that for years have proven they have no disregard for the life -- >> larry: no regard. >> no regard for the life of whales or the laws protecting the whales. this year they proved they have the same disregard for human life. >> larry: does it shock you, fiona, to see this? it would shock me. >> absolutely. i think when i grew up, i did think that it was a perfect world. just realizing humans, 6 billion of us, about to become 12 billion, there ...

Attachment to whales, seals, dolphins, that's why sea shepherd focuses primarily on these. if we can't save these animals that we have, some intrinsic connection with we have no chance of saving the rest of them. >> larry: what do you think of the people who do go and harpoon them? >> they're breaking international conversation law. look, of course there are people who are wanting to also feed their own families, and empathy there, everyone needs to make a living. but these people are illegally poaching wild animals. in the last five years, humans have actually realized how important biodivers...

Chuck, their defense, these are whales. we're making a living. how are we different than fishermen? >> well -- >> larry: fishermen kill fish. >> fishermen kill fish. the fact is fishing is not illegal. sea shepherd enforces international conservation laws. the actions japan is taking are illegal. that's why we're going after that. >> larry: is it because we emotionally feel different about the whale than the fish? >> well, i think -- some people have an attachment to whales and seals and dolphins. that's why the sea shepherd focuses primarily on these. if we can't save these animals that we ha...

And we need to conserve every wild animal we have. and that's why it is so important, the sea shepherd is out there enforcing international conversation law. the u.n. should be doing it. navy should be doing. federal governments should be doing it. they're not doing it. and so we are doing it. we're doing an extremely effective job for such a small organization. >> larry: what does bob think about sea shepherd's tactics especially with his name on the side of their ship? find out after the break. ♪ [ male announcer ] like summer, it's here, but not forever.

>> larry: fishermen kill fish. >> the fact is fishing is not illegal. sea shepherd enforces international conservation laws. the action jazz pan as japan is illegal. i've think we feel, people have an attachment to whales, seals, dolphins, that's why sea shepherd focuses primarily on these, use. if we can't save these animals that we have, some intrinsic connection with we have no chance of saving the rest of them. >> larry: what do you think of the people who do go and harpoon them? >> they're breaking international conversation law. look, of course they're people who are wanting to also feed...