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Of my professional life. i worked as a career prosecutor under republican and democratic administrations. i believe in the civil justice system. this case now goes before an article 3 judge. it's not trial by twitter. it's trial in a court of law, where fake news and the things that they're talking about, that are just so unfactual -- >> but wait a second. what they're saying is this is fundamentally a political messaging document, it is not a serious lawsuit. >> well, with i'll tell you, chris, this is not about partnership, it's about patriotism. and i'll tell you one other thing. when the l...

Cover for home renovations and other things that were not to be paid for by these loans. >> 32 koicounts is a lot. >> it is a lot. paul manafort is 72 years old. based on this case, if convic d edded ed, he's dying in prison. that's the stakes for paul now. and rick gates, who is younger, is looking not at years in prison, but decades in prison if he does not plead guilty, so this is an enormous step up in terms of the pressure on both of them to plead guilty and cooperate. stakes could not be higher. >> we reported there were serious talks involving gates and his new set of attorneys to work ...